eneg Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Has anybody else noticed this? When I bought my car in November 2010, the starting price was $28,100. It looks now to be $28,340! I haven't read about this anywhere, just wondering if anybody has seen this? BTW - I'm not referring to vehicles which have been sitting on the dealer's lots for a while. Thanks, Eneg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eneg Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 Ah, I see! To answer my own question: Yes, the price has gone up. Not only on the base price of $240, the 502A Package has increased by $100, and Delivery, at least to my area, has gone up $35. Eneg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Generally, retail orders are price protected at the level in place at the time of Ford acceptance of the order. Your DORA should show the price level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Generally, retail orders are price protected at the level in place at the time of Ford acceptance of the order. Your DORA should show the price level. Someone in another forum said that Ford now offers incentive protection at the time of a retail order, similar to what Canada has always offered. Have you seen or heard of that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eneg Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 Someone in another forum said that Ford now offers incentive protection at the time of a retail order, similar to what Canada has always offered. Have you seen or heard of that? I didn't post this for myself, as I've had the car since November. I was just kind of surprised that the price of the car went up and I hadn't seen it posted anywhere. . . Eneg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I didn't post this for myself, as I've had the car since November. I was just kind of surprised that the price of the car went up and I hadn't seen it posted anywhere. . . Eneg My question was actually directed at Grey and wasn't related to your initial question. Sorry about that. But to answer your question prices change all the time. In some cases they take options and make them standard so the total price doesn't actually change. Sometimes they do increase prices mid model year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AptosDriver Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Has anybody else noticed this? When I bought my car in November 2010, the starting price was $28,100. It looks now to be $28,340! I haven't read about this anywhere, just wondering if anybody has seen this? Eneg I noticed a while back that Consumer Reports had raised their invoice costs. The X-Plan price for a base FFH is $26,620. BTW, I just learned the other day that anyone can gain access to the X-Plan by joining the Experimental Aircraft Association. It costs $40 to join and I believe you may have to pay another $40 or so to get an X-Plan PIN when you are ready to do a deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I noticed a while back that Consumer Reports had raised their invoice costs. The X-Plan price for a base FFH is $26,620. BTW, I just learned the other day that anyone can gain access to the X-Plan by joining the Experimental Aircraft Association. It costs $40 to join and I believe you may have to pay another $40 or so to get an X-Plan PIN when you are ready to do a deal. EAA Membership is $40 a year and there's no extra charge for an X-Plan PIN. Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AptosDriver Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 EAA Membership is $40 a year and there's no extra charge for an X-Plan PIN. Joe Thanks, Joe. I misinterpreted your earlier email to me, where you said you'd have to "add" $40 to the price of the car to account for the EAA membership fee. I'm a senior (65) and easily confusioned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Inflation plus demand. Chevy has only sold 602 Volts total in January and February, even with the big tax rebate. A lot of people are realizing the FFH is a better compromise for travel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Thanks, Joe. I misinterpreted your earlier email to me, where you said you'd have to "add" $40 to the price of the car to account for the EAA membership fee. I'm a senior (65) and easily confusioned. My comment about adding the extra $40 was in reference to your spreadsheet with all the various holdback numbers and such. Technically, if you have to join a club to receive a discount, you have to add the cost of joining the club to the discounted price. I know I'm splitting hairs here. Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AptosDriver Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) My comment about adding the extra $40 was in reference to your spreadsheet with all the various holdback numbers and such. Technically, if you have to join a club to receive a discount, you have to add the cost of joining the club to the discounted price. I know I'm splitting hairs here. Joe It still beats my spreadsheet's best-case scenario by $70 or so, and I save even more on gray hairs. :P Steve Edited March 5, 2011 by AptosDriver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Inflation plus demand. Chevy has only sold 602 Volts total in January and February, even with the big tax rebate. A lot of people are realizing the FFH is a better compromise for travel. Not to turn this discussion into a "Volt bashing" thread, but I looked into the Volt before settling on the Fusion Hybrid. What chevy does not tell you is that on the Volt, operation of the heating and air conditioning will force the ICE to start up, even when you have a full charge after being plugged into the house all night. If I'm going to spend over $40K on an automobile I'm not going to freeze in the winter and drive a mobile sweatlodge in the summer just to keep the engine from coming on. And if the ICE is going to come on while driving, then why bother plugging into my house, where the energy that serves that comes from coal? The Fusion Hybrid is the most well-rounded hybrid automobile on the US market today. As far as I know I don't qualify for one single tax benefit, rebate or special sticker that allows me to travel in the "Prius Lane" on california freeways after buying my FFH last week. The Free Market has spoken, and that's why it's so hard for dealers to keep FFH's on their lots these days. I consider the Volt one or two steps up from a "science project", with a heavy dose of my taxes thrown in since in a roundabout way I'm subsidizing those 602 Volts that sold in the last two months. Joe (OK, down off my soapbox for now...) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 The Prius lane as you call it is the HOV lane(s) http://dmv.ca.gov/vr/decal.htm from what i can tell the Fusion hybrid and the Prius (any hybrid that meats AT-PZEV) can use it, ((not sure the Fusion hybrid is classified AT-PZEV in Ca, is it ?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 The Prius lane as you call it is the HOV lane(s) http://dmv.ca.gov/vr/decal.htm from what i can tell the Fusion hybrid and the Prius (any hybrid that meats AT-PZEV) can use it, ((not sure the Fusion hybrid is classified AT-PZEV in Ca, is it ?) Oh no we can't! I live in the bay area and this place is crisscrossed with HOV lanes. The state had a deal going a couple years ago where if you bought a hybrid you'd get a couple stickers that you'd have to put on your car and you'd get to "cheat" essentially, and run with only the driver in the HOV lanes. What happened was in Silicon Valley the Prius instantly started selling like hotcakes to the Type-A's that live here who found in the Prius an excellent way to get to work faster. Now those lanes in the morning are typically filled with Priuses (Priui?) with the occasional Civic hybrid thrown into the mix. Oh, there's one other car in the HOV lane, it's me, with a passenger because I carpool every morning. I'm not bitter. Really, I'm not. Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I should add that the state a a couple years ago discontinued issuing new stickers, as a result not a single FFH ever made qualifies for this exemption. In fact, a guy I work with who has one of these stickers on his Prius tells me that on the used car market a Prius with the stickers sells for $500 more than the same car without. Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 So is a Prius with a sticker cheating or just taking advantage of a program, how about using a coupon in the grocery store, the GI bill ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 The Prius lane as you call it is the HOV lane(s) http://dmv.ca.gov/vr/decal.htm from what i can tell the Fusion hybrid and the Prius (any hybrid that meats AT-PZEV) can use it, ((not sure the Fusion hybrid is classified AT-PZEV in Ca, is it ?) The 85,000 high mpg stickers (yellow) were all sold before the FFH was available. Also the FFH wouldn't qualify because it only applied to cars getting more than 45 mpg on the hwy EPA circuit. The yellow sticker expires this July. The new sticker, starting next year, requires much lower emissions and advanced technology. No non-plugin hybrid meets the requirements. 40,000 will be available. It may take several years for 40,000 Leafs, and hydrogen Civics to show up. -mort 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 So is a Prius with a sticker cheating or just taking advantage of a program, how about using a coupon in the grocery store, the GI bill ? In my opinion it's cheating on the original *intent* of the HOV lanes around here, and that was to take more vehicles off the road by encouraging carpooling. Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Seems like it went okay to me but I don't think of just one person in one car as carpooling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eneg Posted May 4, 2011 Author Share Posted May 4, 2011 Hmmm, looks like the base price of the hybrid (not sure about non-hybrid models) went up a small amount in April. Eneg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzyzx Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Hmmm, looks like the base price of the hybrid (not sure about non-hybrid models) went up a small amount in April. Eneg Some dealers around here ( Southern California) have the base price at $28340 while others have it as $28405. For comparison mine was $28100 when I bought it late last year. Also the rapid spec 502A price is up $100 and the delivery/destination is up $35. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeny Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Inflation plus demand. Chevy has only sold 602 Volts total in January and February, even with the big tax rebate. A lot of people are realizing the FFH is a better compromise for travel. I agree that the FFH is THE hybrid if going hybrid but inflation plus demand, don't see it. I don't have a FFH but may in the future so I keep track of the dealers inventories within 30 miles and NOT in City. Most dealers had one FFH and it sat forever and two days. There does not seem to be any great pent up demand in the NY City suburbs. The dealer that had one that I was interested in had a FFH on lot 501A package pretty much the set up I wanted. Color I could live with, LT Blue, Med Lt stone leather and although we never did numbers they certainly indicated that getting it off the crowded lot would work for them. Recently they swapped that to Mahwah NJ for a Steel blue 502a, Mahwah finally sold one I guess but they only wanted 501A. It still shows in their inventory so I guess deal hasn't closed yet, when it does that will leave them on black one they have had forever. Like I said doesn't appear they are flying off the shelf in my area anyway. Reasons? Equating my own thoughts, first and foremost premium over non-hybrid Fusion just too much to justify. That even in the land of NY City area gas prices and daily commutes. The Lincoln's supposedly did better sales simply because there is no premium non-hybrid AWD versus hybrid. Any incentives that apply to Fusions doesn't apply to hybrids. For whatever reason Ford itself doesn't appear to me to be all that interested in selling a boatload of FFH's, they barely appear to make enough to be a presence. I see articles FFH's sales up 74% etc but actual production/sales numbers are miniscule. I know not why, I think they have a real winner here that is superior to all else in the market place but I don't see any real effort on their part to capitalize on that fact. So I am hoping that next year model has a tiny bit more headroom and a lot less sticker premium but yes I am sure both are day dreams on my part. Instead as noted here price increase? Good for them.... George in NY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I agree that the FFH is THE hybrid if going hybrid but inflation plus demand, don't see it. I don't have a FFH but may in the future so I keep track of the dealers inventories within 30 miles and NOT in City. Most dealers had one FFH and it sat forever and two days. There does not seem to be any great pent up demand in the NY City suburbs. The dealer that had one that I was interested in had a FFH on lot 501A package pretty much the set up I wanted. Color I could live with, LT Blue, Med Lt stone leather and although we never did numbers they certainly indicated that getting it off the crowded lot would work for them. Recently they swapped that to Mahwah NJ for a Steel blue 502a, Mahwah finally sold one I guess but they only wanted 501A. It still shows in their inventory so I guess deal hasn't closed yet, when it does that will leave them on black one they have had forever. Like I said doesn't appear they are flying off the shelf in my area anyway. Reasons? Equating my own thoughts, first and foremost premium over non-hybrid Fusion just too much to justify. That even in the land of NY City area gas prices and daily commutes. The Lincoln's supposedly did better sales simply because there is no premium non-hybrid AWD versus hybrid. Any incentives that apply to Fusions doesn't apply to hybrids. For whatever reason Ford itself doesn't appear to me to be all that interested in selling a boatload of FFH's, they barely appear to make enough to be a presence. I see articles FFH's sales up 74% etc but actual production/sales numbers are miniscule. I know not why, I think they have a real winner here that is superior to all else in the market place but I don't see any real effort on their part to capitalize on that fact. So I am hoping that next year model has a tiny bit more headroom and a lot less sticker premium but yes I am sure both are day dreams on my part. Instead as noted here price increase? Good for them.... George in NY The Fusion and MKZ factory is close to its limit as far as total production capacity and there is still a shortage of transmissions and batteries right now. I'm also sure that in other parts of the country the hybrids are selling better. It's hard to say for sure but we know Ford will not overproduce if the customer demand isn't there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Someone in another forum said that Ford now offers incentive protection at the time of a retail order, similar to what Canada has always offered. Have you seen or heard of that? I tried to get more info on this - what I have been told is that the "select" (smaller rural) dealers can freeze incentives. I don't think contact dealers can. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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