dogo88 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 SOme limited information coming out about the new FFH and how it will be configured. Plus it will be able to do 62 mph on electric! http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/09/autos/ford_fusion_plug-in/index.htm?iid=HP_River 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CometFlash Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 They have an FFH PHEV model!!! Nice! An unexpected but very welcome surprise! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) The article says The plug-in hybrid will be called the Fusion Energi. - I believe it will be called the C-Max Energi but not sure, anyway what's in a name ? Edited January 10, 2012 by rfruth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf2530 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The article says The plug-in hybrid will be called the Fusion Energi. - I believe it will be called the C-Max Energi but not sure, anyway what's in a name ? Hi rfruth. :D The article is correct. The Fusion plug-in Hybrid will be called the Fusion Energi. There will be a Ford model called the C-Max and the plug-in Hybrid version will be called the C-Max Energi. But it is a small five door hatch, sort of like a mini-minivan. Nothing to do with the Fusion. Along those same model naming lines, there will also be a Focus plug-in hybrid called the Focus Energi and etc.. Good luck. :beerchug: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyDFoldenauer Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The article says The plug-in hybrid will be called the Fusion Energi. - I believe it will be called the C-Max Energi but not sure, anyway what's in a name ? The C-Max will be totally different from the Fusion Energi. http://www.ford.com/cars/cmax/2013/ Ford is supposed to begin selling the C-Max this fall and it will only be available as a hybrid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 The real question here that needs to be asked is how big is the fuel tank in the new Fusion Hybrid and the Fusion energi? Right now we enjoy a 700 mile range thanks to the gas tank being the same as is used in the conventional gas-only versions of the Fusion. But in the upcoming platform I'm wondering if Ford had to use up some space in order to fit the additional batteries. On the other hand, if they achieve a plug-in Hybrid with a 17 gallon fuel tank then I'll be the first in line at my local Ford dealer. Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hi rfruth. :D The article is correct. The Fusion plug-in Hybrid will be called the Fusion Energi. There will be a Ford model called the C-Max and the plug-in Hybrid version will be called the C-Max Energi. But it is a small five door hatch, sort of like a mini-minivan. Nothing to do with the Fusion. Along those same model naming lines, there will also be a Focus plug-in hybrid called the Focus Energi and etc.. Good luck. :beerchug: I just checked ford.com and there will be two plug-ins, yea ! Talk about Power of Choice - But a Focus Energi (PHEV) in the next 18 months ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eneg Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 The real question here that needs to be asked is how big is the fuel tank in the new Fusion Hybrid and the Fusion energi? Right now we enjoy a 700 mile range thanks to the gas tank being the same as is used in the conventional gas-only versions of the Fusion. But in the upcoming platform I'm wondering if Ford had to use up some space in order to fit the additional batteries. On the other hand, if they achieve a plug-in Hybrid with a 17 gallon fuel tank then I'll be the first in line at my local Ford dealer. Joe They dropped the size of the fuel tank by 1/2 gallon. It will be 16.5 gallons. . . Eneg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 They dropped the size of the fuel tank by 1/2 gallon. It will be 16.5 gallons. . . Eneg The data sheet that I read reports that (16.5 gallons) for the conventional gas engine versions of the 2013 Fusion. Do you have a source for the Hybrid and the plug-in Hybrid versions? Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I usually fill up when the computer says I have 30 to 50 miles left, and it takes 14.5 to 14.8 gallons. So I usually have just over 2 gallons left. But that may not be a useful 2 gallons if you are on a hill or slant, and the 2 gallons isn't available at the fuel pump entrance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I usually fill up when the computer says I have 30 to 50 miles left, and it takes 14.5 to 14.8 gallons. So I usually have just over 2 gallons left. But that may not be a useful 2 gallons if you are on a hill or slant, and the 2 gallons isn't available at the fuel pump entrance. I almost hate to admit this, but I *routinely* take it down to under a gallon left when I finally fill it up. I have very convenient gas stations at both ends of my daily commute and my experience with the car has allowed me to push the limits, so to speak. I can typically go another 60 miles past when the "miles to empty" display shows 0. At that point I'm putting 17.1 gallons in so my reserve is around .4 gallons. By the way, anyone ever notice that if you top off the fuel tank in these cars there's some hidden overflow that vents excess fuel out from within the fender out behind the left rear wheel? I found this out the hard way as the car I drove for 11 years before I bought the FFH could take a solid two more gallons after the pump initially clicked off. Habits being what they are I have since corrected my ways but every once and a while rounding off to the nearest dollar will present me with a puddle behind the tire. By the way, last night I hit 21K miles and my car is only 10 months old. Yikes! Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FusionDiffusion Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hat Eater, I know you like to push the limits, but I want to warn you against going past 0 miles to empty on a regular basis. The fuel pump uses gas to cool itself, so running the tank that low causes the fuel pump to run hot. An almost empty tank is much harder to draw from, so you're effectively working the fuel pump harder with less cooling. In addition, you concentrate all the debris in the tank when you run it down, and you might start to get air bubbles in the fuel lines. So running the tank that low puts a lot of extra stress on the pump and can cause premature pump failure. My best advice is to just get gas right before or at 0 miles DTE. That's the lowest level the fuel system was designed to handle on a regular basis. There will always be a few gallons of unusable fuel in any tank, so let the reserve fuel do it's job. Also, I recommend you stop fueling after the first click with the capless fuel system. I also used to top off the tank on my old car, but I learned the hard way with the Fusion after a bunch of gas came streaming out of the nozzle as I pulled it out after topping it off a few times. It really is full after the first click. Anything else you put in after ends up in the charcoal canister or on the ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hat Eater, I know you like to push the limits, but I want to warn you against going past 0 miles to empty on a regular basis. The fuel pump uses gas to cool itself, so running the tank that low causes the fuel pump to run hot. An almost empty tank is much harder to draw from, so you're effectively working the fuel pump harder with less cooling. In addition, you concentrate all the debris in the tank when you run it down, and you might start to get air bubbles in the fuel lines. So running the tank that low puts a lot of extra stress on the pump and can cause premature pump failure. My best advice is to just get gas right before or at 0 miles DTE. That's the lowest level the fuel system was designed to handle on a regular basis. There will always be a few gallons of unusable fuel in any tank, so let the reserve fuel do it's job. Also, I recommend you stop fueling after the first click with the capless fuel system. I also used to top off the tank on my old car, but I learned the hard way with the Fusion after a bunch of gas came streaming out of the nozzle as I pulled it out after topping it off a few times. It really is full after the first click. Anything else you put in after ends up in the charcoal canister or on the ground. Good advice for everyone to follow. I have never understood this "game" of pushing the limits on fuel level. What's the point? As FD has so eloquently pointed out, you are only risking harming your car. Also, I know they have one-way check valves but if you get liquid fuel in the EVAP cannister from overfilling, you'll be buying a new one and they aren't cheap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Good advice for everyone to follow. I have never understood this "game" of pushing the limits on fuel level. What's the point? As FD has so eloquently pointed out, you are only risking harming your car. Also, I know they have one-way check valves but if you get liquid fuel in the EVAP cannister from overfilling, you'll be buying a new one and they aren't cheap. It's not so much a game for me as it's all about convenience. In my case I put over 100 miles a day on the car and I like the convenience of picking and choosing the day I get gas, as some days for me are busier than others. I don't run it dry *every* week, but depending on my schedule it's nice to know just what the limits are. Sometimes, like this week for example, I'll fill it early, at only a half tank down because I've got a very tight schedule coming up next week and I don't want to worry about having to gas up on Friday night or over the weekend. I understand the point about the gasoline cooling the fuel pump but my personal data point is my F-250. It has two factory fuel tanks with a pump in each one. I've driven it over 244,000 miles and I will typically drain one tank *dry* before hitting the switch to go to the other and in all those miles and 18 years I've never had a fuel pump failure in either tank. I'm certainly not saying that you're wrong as I understand how these things work but it might be possible that Ford makes fuel pumps better than say, VW, where I have experienced a failure. One thing about the evap cannister in the Fusion - how does raw fuel get in there if it pours out on the ground after the first click or two on the pump? It's when the check valve *doesn't* work, which would be another thing to replace. (Full disclosure - I actually *added* an extra evap cannister on my truck in 1997 since after taking a good hard look at Ford's dual tank system and deciding that one shared between two tanks was not enough.) Not trying to start a fight, this is just my observations. Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolder Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) What are you going to do when the "big one" hits the Bay Area and you have a gallon of fuel in your tank? With a full tank of gas, you can use this car for about a WEEK of emergency 120 VAC, 150 watt max. power. That's enough for a small TV and several small screw-in fluorescent bulbs. Edited January 19, 2012 by lolder 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011se25 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 By the way, anyone ever notice that if you top off the fuel tank in these cars there's some hidden overflow that vents excess fuel out from within the fender out behind the left rear wheel? I found this out the hard way as the car I drove for 11 years before I bought the FFH could take a solid two more gallons after the pump initially clicked off. Habits being what they are I have since corrected my ways but every once and a while rounding off to the nearest dollar will present me with a puddle behind the tire. I'm not one of those people that insist on letting the pump click off 76 times before finishing, but I have experienced excess fuel venting from somewhere underneath the car. I normally stop on the first click (trying to slow down as it gets full), or go one more click if I think it stopped prematurely. I no longer even think about trying that now. Also when the instruction manual / gas door says wait 5 seconds after filling before removing the nozzle? Yeah, that recommendation wasn't for fun either, that avoids spilling fuel on your fender. In addition to not understanding the people that click off them pump 76 times, I also don't understand that people that spin their fuel cap around 29 times after filling. Apparently they don't understand the purpose of a ratchet. Hat Eater, I know you like to push the limits, but I want to warn you against going past 0 miles to empty on a regular basis. The fuel pump uses gas to cool itself, so running the tank that low causes the fuel pump to run hot. *snip* My best advice is to just get gas right before or at 0 miles DTE. That's the lowest level the fuel system was designed to handle on a regular basis. There will always be a few gallons of unusable fuel in any tank, so let the reserve fuel do it's job. The first point gets debated a lot. My understanding is fuel pumps gets cooled by the fuel passing through the lines, not by being submerged, so cooling remains until you run out of gas. On the second point, there's built in reserve past 0 DTE to keep people from running out of gas, and not a limit of the system. I've driven along the highway with distance to destination matching DTE and many of other people play such chicken where they'd be more conservative just basing it on the fuel guage. I know some other cars below a point (80km to empty) it refuses to give an actual readout. I'd normally recommend filling up between 1/8 and 1/4 to make sure you have ample reserve for all sorts of unforseen circumstances (power failures, detours, traffic, storms, emergency travel) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I know a guy who tries to keep his tank between 1/4 and 3/4 (too little & you risk damaging the fuel pump he says, too much cuts down on MPG, need to allow room for expansion, less stress on the tank, less of a fire hazard) - I have no problem running mine all the way down then I fill up to the first click and repeat as necessary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolder Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Here's a link to Fords 2013 Fusion site: http://www.ford.com/cars/fusion/2013/features/ Among the info is that it is belt-less, has a 5 inch longer wheelbase and it has active grill shutters. Front legroom is 2 inches greater and rear 1 1/2 inches. Edited January 20, 2012 by lolder 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolder Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 More info from Motor Trend: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1201_2013_ford_fusion_first_look/specs.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engratsea Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Im digging the new look and more mpg is always nice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFHdriver Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Im digging the new look and more mpg is always nice. Like the looks. You'll have to add side moldings. I hope the shutters don't effect the AC. . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFHdriver Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Here's a link to Fords 2013 Fusion site: http://www.ford.com/.../2013/features/ Among the info is that it is belt-less, has a 5 inch longer wheelbase and it has active grill shutters. Front legroom is 2 inches greater and rear 1 1/2 inches. Mine only has a belt for the water pump. I wonder what drives the 2013 water pump? May be electric like BMWs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FusionDiffusion Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 The 2.0L EcoBoost engine still has a serpentine-belt-driven water pump, along with the alternator and the A/C compressor. I believe he was referring to the exterior belt line (the way the body looks). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolder Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 The 2.0L EcoBoost engine still has a serpentine-belt-driven water pump, along with the alternator and the A/C compressor. I believe he was referring to the exterior belt line (the way the body looks). The present FFHYBRID's have only a water pump belt drive. The 2013 FFHYBRID will have no drive belts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolder Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 The 2013 Fusion "Build you own" site without prices yet: http://www.ford.com/cars/fusion/2013/?searchid=|| 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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