ctrcbob Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I can never understand why people lie about their gas milage. I have a friend (yes he is still a friend) who purchased a Lincoln MKX a couple weeks ago. Everytime I see him, he tells me about his "great gas milage". Tells me he gets 22-23 around town and 33 on the open road. I don't want to call him a lier, but I'll tell you that HE IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. Yes, his MKX has a different transmission (6F vice my Aisin-Warner), but we have the same engine and his MKX is heavier than my MKZ. No use telling him that he is wrong, or to do the math, as he always has to be "better" than the other guy. (Either that, or someone is ADDING a gallon of gas to his MKX every night - He will be surprised when someone starts to remove a gallon of gas every night <grin>) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyoct Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I can never understand why people lie about their gas milage. I have a friend (yes he is still a friend) who purchased a Lincoln MKX a couple weeks ago. Everytime I see him, he tells me about his "great gas milage". Tells me he gets 22-23 around town and 33 on the open road. I don't want to call him a lier, but I'll tell you that HE IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. Yes, his MKX has a different transmission (6F vice my Aisin-Warner), but we have the same engine and his MKX is heavier than my MKZ. No use telling him that he is wrong, or to do the math, as he always has to be "better" than the other guy. (Either that, or someone is ADDING a gallon of gas to his MKX every night - He will be surprised when someone starts to remove a gallon of gas every night <grin>) Could he be a featherfoot? I got 40+mpg just straight highway cruising in my I4 before. It dropped to 38mpg with a few miles of city driving. I thought that was pretty cool. But then again, I was cruising right at or below 60mph and letting everyone and their grandma pass me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Must be the same guy that's taking gas OUT of Boz's car and putting in your buddy's MKX! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urnews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Must be the same guy that's taking gas OUT of Boz's car and putting in your buddy's MKX! That's a hoot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctrcbob Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 My AWD Window Sticker says it gets 18 City - 26 Hwy. OK, I have not yet taken a trip with the car, although I now have almost 2300 miles on it. Just driving around town, all within the county, I have been getting between 17 and 19. (I guess 18 is correct). My last tank readout was 17.9 so thats close. No allround driving, all within the county (but I did get 21 once, but that was a mix of intown and road. Today, I drove to Orlando. Decided to take the long way around, thirty miles to my destination using the Florida Turnpike. Going there, at a steady 70mph (the speed limit) I got 27.5 mpg. Returning, at a steady 65mph, I got 28.0 mpg. I don't normally reset the mpg computer between fill-ups, but for this experiment, I did it twice. Going to Orlando and returning from Orlando. BTW, my wifes Continental (4.6L 32V DOHC Duratec) gets almost identical gas milage. Around town, about 19 and on the open road, long trips on Interstates, it gets an average of 27. (low of 26, high of 29). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urnews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Darn good numbers, Bob. I would be delighted with those results but don't think it will ever happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 New owner here. I'm getting just over 19 combined. That's according to the dash read out. I've only got a little over 500 miles on it. Road trip weekend after this so I'll get some highway mileage then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctrcbob Posted February 1, 2007 Author Share Posted February 1, 2007 Jimmy, Living on the "South Shore of Lake Eire", you need both your cars to have AWD. How does your Five Hundred AWD do in round town and OTR driving? BTW, I was formerly from the "South Shore of Lake Ontario" so I know the fear the words "Lake Effect" has on us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Jimmy, Living on the "South Shore of Lake Eire", you need both your cars to have AWD. How does your Five Hundred AWD do in round town and OTR driving? BTW, I was formerly from the "South Shore of Lake Ontario" so I know the fear the words "Lake Effect" has on us. It got almost 29 MPG for the wife on a trip to the Twin Cities last summer. 4 adults and a full trunk, not bad for a large car. I'm just not sure of the CVT they use in that car. It's smooth as silk, like a turbine or an old "power glide". I do'nt drive it that often, it's the wifes car. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urnews Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 New owner here. I'm getting just over 19 combined. That's according to the dash read out. I've only got a little over 500 miles on it. Road trip weekend after this so I'll get some highway mileage then. Welcome to the forum, Jimmy. Hope you become a regular and enjoy both your new car and the forum. There are a lot of friendly and helpful -- from my experience -- people on this electronic chat room. You are off to a good start with your mileage results. Our experiences have been just the opposite, very poor results. Ninety-five percent of our travel is stop-and-go city driving and we have only be able to achieve 13 mpg. We have about 1,200 miles on our 2007 SEL AWD Fusion and are taking a short, 360-400 mile trip this weekend, almost all of it at 60 to 80 mpg. The owner's manual cautions against figuring mileage until the car has 2,000 to 3,000 miles on it, the break-in period. (So why do that make it so easy to do with the on-board computer?) The computer figure is pretty close to the long division method, usually within .5 to 1 mpg. The conventional way of checking mileage, dividing the number of gallons needed to fill up into the number of miles driven, is the only true way to calculate mileage, as I'm sure you know. Keep us posted on your new car and enjoy it. Boz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urnews Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 I can never understand why people lie about their gas mileage. Superiority complex? My car is better than your car because ... (25 words or less). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctrcbob Posted February 1, 2007 Author Share Posted February 1, 2007 Jimmy, Yes I forgot that the FiveHundred AWD only, had the CVT. Its the FWD that has the 6 Speed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Welcome to the forum, Jimmy. Hope you become a regular and enjoy both your new car and the forum. There are a lot of friendly and helpful -- from my experience -- people on this electronic chat room. You are off to a good start with your mileage results. Our experiences have been just the opposite, very poor results. Ninety-five percent of our travel is stop-and-go city driving and we have only be able to achieve 13 mpg. We have about 1,200 miles on our 2007 SEL AWD Fusion and are taking a short, 360-400 mile trip this weekend, almost all of it at 60 to 80 mpg. The owner's manual cautions against figuring mileage until the car has 2,000 to 3,000 miles on it, the break-in period. (So why do that make it so easy to do with the on-board computer?) The computer figure is pretty close to the long division method, usually within .5 to 1 mpg. The conventional way of checking mileage, dividing the number of gallons needed to fill up into the number of miles driven, is the only true way to calculate mileage, as I'm sure you know. Keep us posted on your new car and enjoy it. Boz I hope your MPG does increase. That sounds pretty low @ 13. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Jimmy, Yes I forgot that the FiveHundred AWD only, had the CVT. Its the FWD that has the 6 Speed. If the 500 AWD had a 6 speed auto I might have gotten it instead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urnews Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 I hope your MPG does increase. That sounds pretty low @ 13. I hope so too. It is definitely 13 mpg city for the first 1,200 miles. The dealer has agreed to "put it on the computer" at 1,500 miles, which will be next week because we are taking a 360- 400-mile trip this weekend. The EPA estimate for this model is 19 mpg city, 26 mph highway. I would be delighted with those results but don't honestly believe this will be achieved. Boz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I hope so too. It is definitely 13 mpg city for the first 1,200 miles. The dealer has agreed to "put it on the computer" at 1,500 miles, which will be next week because we are taking a 360- 400-mile trip this weekend. The EPA estimate for this model is 19 mpg city, 26 mph highway. I would be delighted with those results but don't honestly believe this will be achieved. Boz Maybe you're "locked" in AWD 100% of the time. I assume they will be able to see it quickly when it's hooked up to the system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 If the 500 AWD had a 6 speed auto I might have gotten it instead. It will, starting in April. It also gets the 3.5L engine to go with it. That's the 2008 model with the Fusion inspired front clip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 It will, starting in April. It also gets the 3.5L engine to go with it. That's the 2008 model with the Fusion inspired front clip. That's good. I know a few people that will buy one now. They were leery of the CVT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Latest fill up the MPG on the dash said 18.2 and I figured the old way 18.1 combined highway/city. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urnews Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Our latest mileage adventure was a mixed bag, good news and bad news. We put 358 miles on the 2007 SEL AWD Fusion, traveling from Salisbury, MD to Purcellville (near Leesburg) VA, with much of the journey on dual highways at speeds of 60 to 80 mph. First leg of the journey yielded 26.5 miles per gallon highway, which is pretty good. But the tank fill-up (number of gallons divided into the total miles driven since the last fill-up) resulted in an overall mileage figure of 21.98 mpg because 46.2 miles of that (14.8 percent) was in-city driving. Conclusion: The car is still getting about 13 mpg in-city after 1,596 miles on it. It goes back to the dealer Wednesday to be put on the computer to see if that reveals anything. I doubt it. The second leg of the trip, 93 miles of highway driving after the fill-up, yielded 24.2 mpg, according to the on-board computer. I am of the general opinion that this AWD power train combination, V6, six-speed automatic transmission, is simply not capable of delivering the EPA-estimated 19 mpg city but will equal the EPA-estimated 26 mpg highway. Unfortunately, 95 percent of our driving is stop-and-go city driving. The reason that this is a bad situation is because there is a difference of $539.24 extra cost per year between 13 mpg and 19 mpg, based on 10,000 miles driven with gasoline at $2.22 per gallon. I don't imagine there are many people who could reconcile an extra $539 expense if something could be done to eliminate this expenditure. My wife and I like almost everything about the car except for its poor mileage. We might be forced to live with this unfortunate condition, however. We are both conservative, gentle drivers; our terrain is as flat as a fritter; the climate is moderate; Exxon gasoline is being used now; and, the tire pressure is correct. In short, there doesn't seem to be any human-controlled conditions that could be altered to produce better mileage. We -- all of us in fact -- are at the mercy of computers. It's a scary proposition when you think about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctrcbob Posted February 4, 2007 Author Share Posted February 4, 2007 Boz, I've also noticed that unless the transmission shifts out of 4th, into 5th and/or 6th, the gas milage sucks. If you are going under 40mpg, it will not shift into 5th/6th. If you are going up a very slight incline, it will not shift out of 4th. The conditions have to be "perfect" for it to shift into 5th/6th. I often "lift" my foot off the gas in order to get it to shift into 5th/6th. One day, while on an open flat road around here, I tried something. While in 6th at 60mph, I reset the mpg gauge. Got a reading up around 27 or 28 for a mile or so. I then locked out 5th/6th so at the same speed, same level road, the car was in direct 4th. The mpg was down around 20 or 21. Don't know if on the Fusions or Milans, the "overdrive" (5th/6th) can be locked out. I know that on the 06 Zephyr, it cannot be locked out, but on the 07 MKZ, there is a button on the shifter to lock out the overdrive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urnews Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Don't know if on the Fusions or Milans, the "overdrive" (5th/6th) can be locked out. I know that on the 06 Zephyr, it cannot be locked out, but on the 07 MKZ, there is a button on the shifter to lock out the overdrive. Bob, That was an interesting post and experiment. Nope, there is no overdrive button on the 2007 Fusion. Our 1997 Thunderbird and 2000 Focus station wagon both have this handy feature. I think it was a Ford mistake to not include this option. The slightest hill causes the transmission to down shift into a lower gear, higher RPMs. It's much more noticeable in the Fusion than it is in the 'Bird or Focus. Boz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I hope so too. It is definitely 13 mpg city for the first 1,200 miles. The dealer has agreed to "put it on the computer" at 1,500 miles, which will be next week because we are taking a 360- 400-mile trip this weekend. The EPA estimate for this model is 19 mpg city, 26 mph highway. I would be delighted with those results but don't honestly believe this will be achieved. Boz What did they find??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urnews Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 What did they find??? Got the car back today, Feb. 7. They found nothing wrong with it. Everything was according to specs, according to the service department manager and the shop foreman. They provided me with some computer printouts. I think we are just going to be stuck with 13 mpg in city, stop-and-go driving. Bummer. Boz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy G Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Got the car back today, Feb. 7. They found nothing wrong with it. Everything was according to specs, according to the service department manager and the shop foreman. They provided me with some computer printouts. I think we are just going to be stuck with 13 mpg in city, stop-and-go driving. Bummer. Boz That's too bad. Mine is getting over 18 combined with only 750 miles. Road trip this weekend so we'll see how it does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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